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21/7/2006

The cost of education

Filed under: — Joel @ 5:20 pm

Labor (the governmet party in Australia that’s sorta kinda like the Democrats in the US) today announced that if they’re elected next year they will eliminate full fee paying positions from Australian universities and reduce the cost of HECS, as well as increase funding to Universities. (Quick background: Australian students get given an interest free loan scheme to go to University, known as HECS. This covers the student contribution to higher education (~$5000/yr, about 25%) with the government paying the rest. You then only need to pay back the loan when your salary reaches a certain level, and then repayments are taken out as an extra tax. Note that although the loan is interest free, it is indexed to inflation (2%ish) - so your debt when you start repaying is the same as it would be for a student who just graduated that year.)

So, my opinions on these (and keep in mind, I actually vote Labor…):

Reducing HECS Labor says “Australian students can no longer afford their courses because of government under-funding” and that “rising cost of tertiary education is deterring young people from going to uni”. Bull. If you’re being deterred from going to Uni on the basis of HECS debts, then you’re not the sharpest tool in the shed and it’s natural selectrion in action! You only pay the HECS back when you start earning enough money, and it’s a decent salary too. Odds are good (though by no means guaranteed) that a degree will get you into a position where you can afford to pay off that debt, and that you’ll be earning more than someone who doesn’t have a degree. If you don’t earn enough, then you don’t pay it back - so why worry?

Even more pertinent is that different universities can charge you different (HECS) fees. My advice? Go to the best university you can - if they charge you $7000 instead of $3000, you’ll end up with a debt of $2000 instead of $1000 - who cares? It’s likely you’ve gotten a better education, better exposure, better job opportunities, etc. Obviously, if the cheaper university fits you better - go there! But don’t let HECS in any way affect your decision.

Finally, I think we should have to contribute something to our education. We’re likely going to earn more later (though yes, we’ll of course pay more back in tax) and, ultimately, it’s pretty cheap. Especially compared to our American counterparts!

Full fee paying positions. Originally, the idea is that students are allocated to places on the basis of their marks and receive their HECS loans, end of story. In a controversial move recently, Universities were allowed to then offer an additional number of full fee paying places which are not funded by HECS. Instead, you have to pay the full fee upfront. The government does offer loans to cover these, but you pay CPI+3.5% (so about 5.5%ish).

I know I said don’t worry about money, and the idea here is that if you’re really keen to get into this course you’ll pay what you need to, and hope to recoup it later. But if you didn’t get the marks you needed to get into the course on your own merit, you need to think about your options. Is this really a course you can do? If so, why not do a year of another course first, work your butt off, and then upgrade It’s very doable, and far easier to get in than straight from school. Basically, full fee paying places means that students who are willing to accrue massive debts, or have a rich Mummy or Daddy, are granted places over those students who are in fact more qualified than them. I don’t think this is fair, either to the full fee students or the HECS students, and I agree with it being abolished.

David Barry Says:

My understanding on full-fee paying positions is that these are extra places in addition to HECS places. So they’re not substituting deserving poor students for undeserving rich ones.

It seems a good way for the universities to make money, at a possible marginal reduction in standards (as long as the full-fee places are capped at a small percentage of HECS places).

I don’t think this is fair, either to the full fee students
How can it not be fair to those students who are willing to accumulate the debt? I agree that they would be better off doing another degree (perhaps for a year before transferring), but if they want that Law degree so much, then I have no problem with them getting it (as long as they pass, of course).

Joel Says:

Yeah, I do understand the logic (additional places, raising revenue, if you want it badly enough, etc) but at the same time, I think it really does give an advantage to those with money. The fact that the goverment offers a specific loan program is good, and addresses some of my concerns, but most students are going to be reluctant to take out a loan like that. I know, I know - I say don’t worry about HECS and then say worry about loans, but we’re talking a signifcantly larger amount of money, which you then pay interest on. If Mum or Dad can afford to pay for you, and get you that law degree you’re after…

There’s also the issue that I think entry levels to (some) degrees are already too low - particularly engineering, where some of the engineers have trouble with basic algebra. Ultimately, this has resulted in the “dumbing down” of courses (cf engineering, or worse maths, 30 years ago to today - much easier content today). If you’ve got full fee paying students which become necessary for the running of your university and who are at the bottom end of class (since they couldn’t compete for a HECS place) how much incentive does that place on the Uni to make sure they pass?

 
 
Peter Rohde » Blog Archive » The cost of higher education Says:

[…] This post follows up on Joel Gilmore’s recent post on the Australian HECS (Higher Education Contribution Scheme) system, posted at Illuminating Science. […]

 
Peter Rohde Says:

Hi Joel. An interesting post. I wrote a follow-up post on my own blog - http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/rohde/blog/

 

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